Friday, January 31, 2025

Jesus and Therapy - Seeking Wholeness Summary 21

 

Should Chistians seek help from therapists?


Danny Gokey - Love God Love People





Outline:

  • Introduction

  • Defining Wholeness

  • Love God and Love People

  • 5 emotional bags unconsciously carried into Our Christian life

  • Christian Remedies 

  • Jesus And Therapy

  • Discipleship As the Solution

  • Different Issues Need Different Solutions

  • Faith


Scriptures:

  • Galatians 5:22-23

  • Matthew 22:36-40

  • Matthew 5:22-24

  • Proverbs 11:14

  • Proverbs 15:22

  • Luke 18:42

Introduction

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 

  • Love 

  • Joy

  • Peace

  • Patience 

  • Kindness

  • Goodness

  • Faithfulness

  • Gentleness

  • Self-control


Does anyone feel like this describes them?



Fruits of the Spirit 

  • Result of the Holy Spirit’s work

  • Evidence of a changed life


The fruit of the Spirit represents the visible evidence of a life lived in accordance with God's will and empowered by the Holy Spirit. It's about becoming more Christ-like in our thoughts, words, and actions.

–Chat GPT


These are the traits by which we want to measure our spirituality.  Not:

  • Speaking in tongues

  • Church attendance

  • Bible knowledge 



The real test of your emotional and spiritual maturity happens when

  • You are driving and someone cuts you off

  • Someone you love makes you mad

  • Your family gets together

  • Someone at work lies on you

  • Someone disrespects you

  • Someone embarrasses you

  • Someone ignores you



You can know the theology, but when you get into the area of relationships it becomes difficult.  


Therefore it’s hard to have spiritual maturity if you are:

  • impatient

  • unforgiving

  • addicted

  • Easily angered


Emotional health is essential for following God fully. 


Defining Wholeness

Wholeness is about being _______ healthy

  • spiritually

  • emotionally

  • mentally


Free from oppression of

  • Our past

  • Bad thinking

  • Strongholds

  • The enemy


We’re talking about 

  • dealing with life’s current stresses 

  • being healed from experiences/wounds of the past 


We’re promised eternal life

  • We’re also supposed to have: joy, peace, patience, and self control here on earth


Through this 4.5 year series we have identified traits that we defined as the goal for wholeness


Traits of Wholeness

  1. Authenticity 

  2. Honesty

  3. Kindness

  4. Behavior not influenced by external approval / validation 

  5. Living by values and principles 

  6. Setting Boundaries

  7. Taking ownership of your responsibilities

  8. Living with purpose and passion

  9. Optimism 

  10. Confidence

  11. Not losing control of your emotions

  12. Free from addictions

  13. Addressing Conflict with truth and love

  14. Vulnerability 

  15. Not critical or Judgemental 

  16. Not jealous of others

  17. Forgive those who have wronged you in the past

  18. Know that you’re worthy of receiving love

  19. Not afraid to fail

  20. Able to manage irrational fear, worry, and anxiety 

  21. Selfless encounters with others

  22. Not manipulating others trying to control their actions

  23. You care about how others feel 

    1. And can feel it

  24. Patient

  25. Don’t give into peer/social pressure

  26. Can communicate without antagonizing others

    1. You can complain respectfully

  27. Recognize, manage, and take responsibility for your own thoughts and feelings

  28. Slow to anger

    1. Not easily triggered

  29. Ability to maturely express your wants, needs and desires

  30. Can listen without reacting

  31. Can respect others without having to change them

  32. Can function well… Alone or with others

  33. Able to take responsibility for your own destiny in life

  34. Able to maintain a non-anxious presence in the midst of anxiety and stress

  35. Able to ask for what you need want or prefer clearly, directly and honestly

  36. Has the capacity to resolve conflict maturely

    1. you “fight fair“

  37. Able to negotiate solutions and take other people's perspectives into consideration

  38. Allow your thinking and feeling functions to work as a team

    1. Can differentiate between thoughts and feelings

    2. “I feel like she is always late“

  39. give people room to make mistakes and not be perfect

  40. spend time with God 

  41. Being led by the Spirit


Love God and Love People


Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38 “This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 “The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40 “Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”


Some people have a love for God but not a love for people


They read the bible, pray and worship 


But they don’t know how to:

  • Give a respectful no

  • Address conflict

  • how to be present with people

  • Speak clearly and honestly



They are spiritually knowledgeable, but emotionally immature



It is not possible to be spiritually mature while remaining emotionally immature

Leave Your Offering at the Altar

Jesus held loving God and loving people as the highest acts of obedience that needed to be performed


Jesus put relationship before worship


Matthew 5:22-24

 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘[k]You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to [l]the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the [m]fiery hell. 23Therefore, if you are presenting your [n]offering at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your [o]offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your [p]offering

  • If you said something in anger

  • Called someone and offensive word


Get right with people before you get right with God

How people experience us matters

  • It is a gauge of our emotional health

  • Our relationships matter


Hating your family because they are sinners is a contradiction to what Jesus was teaching


Our love is supposed to show others how much God loves them


As Christians, we often know  how we should be living …but we don’t know how to do it

  • It’s easier said than done


Therefore, we continue to relate to people in an emotionally immature way.


we need to learn to apply, practically and effectively, the truths that we believe


how can I 

  • Be quick to hear and slow to speak

  • Be angry and not sin

  • Watch my heart above all else.. since that is the place from whence life flows

  • Speak the truth in love

  • Be a true peacemaker

  • Get rid of all bitterness, rage, and envy


We usually miss-apply biblical truths and follow the relational skills learned in our families growing up.


The way that we were raised becomes our default way of loving other people


Therefore, our relationships are no different than those The world around us


5 emotional bags unconsciously carried into Our Christian life

Over function

No room for play


Being over responsible for family of origin and that carried over to be over responsible for people in the church


Can’t  maintain healthy boundaries as an adult

Self worth  is Based on Performance 

“you will make your parents proud because they have suffered and sacrificed so much for you“


performance-based approval from family -> performing for Jesus


Believe in marriage and gender roles we shaped by our families/culture versus scripture

“Happy wife …happy life”

Resolve conflict poorly


The basic way we resolve conflict resembles our family of origin not Christ’s ways


Example: 

  • cursing/yelling

  • Not addressing


Bible says

  • Slow to anger

  • Forgive

Not knowing how to accept and process your own feelings, needs and wants


You were never asked growing up

  • What do you want?

  • What do you need?

  • What do you feel?


A child doesn’t see  what’s wrong with this environment they’re growing up. 

  • They only ask “what is wrong with me“?


No other religion in the world has a personal God loves you for who you are versus what you do

Christian Remedies 

There are many people suffering in church.


People are suffering from:

  • Miscarriages

  • Infertility

  • the death of a child

  • the loss of a sibling, parent, grandparent, spouses, or friend

  • fighting cancer

  • chronic illness

  • wayward children

  • family conflict

  • Anxiety 

  • Depression

  • job loss

  • Financial burdens


Christians used to go to their priests and pastors with their relational, emotional, and mental concerns.  

  • Now we are quick to tell people to seek therapy.


What do you do when a brother or sister in Christ comes to you with a problem?

  • Marriage/dating problems 

  • Sin issues

  • Emotional issues


A well meaning Christian might

  • Listen

  • Offer advice

  • Provide reassurance

  • Quote Bible verses

  • Pray

  • Advise different behaviors

  • Empathize 

  • focus on God’s truth instead of your what we feel about ourselves

  • assumes that the cause is a violation of some biblical principle 

    • Solution is to exhort the person to follow the principles

  • casting out of demons



Jesus And Therapy

Should Christians go to therapy?


Why we need Jesus and therapy

https://youtube.com/shorts/Bg7fUOhrF_s?si=Q6RPaIlwrXxJV9NO

  • Prayer is a weapon… Therapy is a strategy

Proverbs 11:14

Where there is no guidance the people fall, But in an abundance of counselors there is victory.


Similar to the approach that Christians  see doctors for health issues even though they pray for and believe in supernatural healing.

  • You can be a good Christian and still go to therapy


We are made up of

  • Spiritual.

  • Mental

  • Physical.

  • Emotional

They can impact each other

Example: got lung cancer and lost your faith

  • Smoking impacted your spirituality

  • Getting a nicotine patch or joining a non-smoking room doesn’t mean you don’t have faith

Core Idea of Psychology

The general idea is that something has been damaged in our internal pattern of processing ourselves and our lives. You may be unaware of it.  The damage was caused by contact with unhealthy people.


Examples:  a personal identity that has been damaged by.

  • Abandonment

  • Rejection

  • Abuse


Treatment

There are many different theories of how the mind works and many different treatment approaches, but they all share this…


The verbal treatment involves 3 parts:

  1. Identify the psychological processes causing the problem

  2. Make the patient conscious of it

  3. Work through the unhealthy patterns triggered by earlier relationships until the patient replaces them with a healthier approach to handling life 


Patients tend to fit the words they say into the therapist's theoretical mode.

  • Analyze dreams.

  • Look for irrational self talk.

  • Probe for forgotten memories, traumas 

Objections to Therapy

Hundreds of studies show that psychotherapy is better than nothing. 

  • It is harder to prove that what is helping are the reasons suggested by the theories. 


Different therapists might give a patient completely different explanations for their problems.  

(Similar to how different Christian denominations will give different reasons for a problem)


Studies have shown the different therapies work equally as well.


Comment on Therapy


Resilience 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2FY1G6p/

  • Real mental health isn’t about staying safe

  • Therapy is the training ground.  Real life is the game.


Discipleship As the Solution

Alcoholic Anonymous 

12 Step Programs


A Stanford researcher found that Alcoholics Anonymous helps more people achieve sobriety than therapy does.


After evaluating 35 studies — involving the work of 145 scientists and the outcomes of 10,080 participants — Keith Humphreys, PhD, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences, and his fellow investigators determined that AA was nearly always found to be more effective than psychotherapy in achieving abstinence.


AA works because it’s based on social interaction, Humphreys said, noting that members give one another emotional support as well as practical tips to refrain from drinking. 


“If you want to change your behavior, find some other people who are trying to make the same change,” he said.


  —Stanford Medicine

Humphreys is a member of the Wu Tsai Neurosciences Institute at Stanford



Example: FitBit/ Apple Watch 

  • Counting your steps 

  • Contests at work

  • Posting your results social media


AA came out of the Christian revivalist Oxford Group

  • Not about looking within


Discipleship is Counseling of the Soul


Maybe discipleship defined as “counseling of the soul“ is the reality and psychotherapy is the imitation

We have wrongly defined soul wounds as psychological disorder, and have delegated the treatment to trained specialists.  

– Dr. Larry Crabb, psychologist and Christian counselor (Connecting)

“Professional counseling is a specialized form of talking that we assume only highly trained people can practice. But that assumption is not well supported by the evidence.”  


Example: Studies show that you will feel better if you talk to someone you trust about:

  • Anorexia

  • Depression

  • Difficulty with significant people in your life


People improve when they go to therapy, but it doesn’t seem to matter what type of therapy they go to. 


The conclusion is that:

What helps is focused, well-meaning conversations about problems

Christian Communities

Proverbs 15:22

22 Without consultation, plans are frustrated, But with many counselors they succeed.


Larry Crabb, in his book Connecting, suggests that “soul issues” are better addressed by Christian communities

  • Life groups

  • Growth groups

  • Accountability groups


Soul Care

If soul care involves pouring something good out of one person into another … Then the helper must have something good to pour 

Skill in giving matters, but not as much as having something to give

Community Requirements 

The ideal cure is to find a community of believers who are

  • Conscientious

  • Non defensive

  • Caring


Community members who

  • Engage each other

  • Honor confidence

  • Let themselves actually care when they hurt

  • Believe in each other

  • Involve themselves because they think the others are actually worth caring about


Issues Better Addressed By Therapy

There are 2 types of problems.

  1. Those that require the service of a technically trained professional

  2. Those that represent struggles in the soul

Issues Better Suited for Therapist

Empirically researchable issues with predictable pattern in terms of

  • Cause

  • Nature 

  • Resolution

These personal concerns fall into 4 categories

Physiological or chemical imbalances

  • Bipolar reactions.

  • Attention deficit disorder.

  • Clinical depression.

  • Some cases of sexual dysfunction 

    • Premature ejaculation.

    • Orgasmic inability

Nonmoral process of learning and conditioning 

  • Slow learning

  • Poor reading skills.

  • Certain anxiety disorders.

  • Phobias

  • Panic attack 

Threat to social well-being for social order.

  • Suicidal impulses.

  • Antisocial behavior.


Those that represent ignorance of affective technique or understanding

  • Marital communication patterns

  • Handling teen rebellion

  • Vocational guidance

Issues Better Addressed in Christian Communities

Concerns of the soul

  • Most personality disorders.

    • Narcissistic, borderline, dissociative identity disorder.

  • Mild to moderate depression.

  • Existential despair

    • Often confused with severe depression

  • Relational difficulties.

  • Inability to get close to others.

  • Most marriage tensions.

  • Anger and impulse control

Everyday problems.

  • Insecurity.

  • Indecisiveness.

  • Resentment.

  • sexual struggles.

    • Perversion and addictions.


Their root lies in disconnection, and a flesh driven response to life’s disappointments

It is wrong to conceptualize these problems as evidenced of the damaged self caused by life experiences

  • Problems of the soul are more accurately defined as the effort to handle life challenges


Different Issues Need Different Solutions

Although we should take all of our issues to God in prayer…


Different issues lend themselves to different solutions

  • Are there repressed emotions that uncovering words can surface?

  • Are people indifferent to their responsibilities and need rebuking words?

  • Are they confused about what to do… And looking for words of wise counsel?

  • Do our problems stem from forgetting that God cares?

  • Are encouraging words the most helpful?

  • Does the person have a lack of faith in God?


When problems that reflect physical or practical matters of living arise, a healthy community will gladly refer people to professional experts for help.  


Qualifications for a good counselor, have more to do with wisdom and character than with training and degrees


Loving God, and loving others, lives at the center of God’s community

As long as the resources of the community are underdeveloped, professional counseling will occupy a legitimate place.


You cannot follow God fully if you are not emotionally healthy

  • Unhealthy Addictions

  • Sin patterns 

  • Emotionally triggered


The main goal is to get healed 

There is nothing wrong with a Christians seeking therapy 


Healed people see different

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxM3ZDUTf0botAPNAXT_uozdbtgUK3t8Bj?si=BbTcSH6VliiwIyT6

  • What have you adjusted to that God wants you loosed from?


Faith

Luke 18:42

 42And Jesus said to him, “Regain your sight; your faith has [p]made you well.” 


Your healing is dependent on your faith 



Research has shown that therapeutic treatment success depends on the patients' trust in the therapist and confidence in the method.  

  • For therapy to work you have to believe in the therapist and a method they are using


Similarly many of the Christian methods depend on the faith.  

  • Jesus and the apostles proclaimed “by your faith you were healed”.


Emotionallyhealthy.org/mature


Instructor: Michael Leadon




Resources


Measuring Your Emotional Health


Emotionally Healthy Christianity


Jesus and Therapy

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